endobj VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. ICC2 Manual Operation. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Select. Success! Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. Thanks for your patience. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. nothing works. Thanks for any help. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. 2. I'd say a helper would be handy. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. endobj The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. 19 yrs & counting. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. <> I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. nothing works. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Thank you. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. I feel like I am beating this to death. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. Woo-Hoo! If the voltage did not change, verify that Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. School of hard knocks. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. All rights reserved. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. I love the product. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. Konapride - U da Man! Check flow sensor setup. If When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode stream and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y JavaScript is disabled. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. endobj The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. There will be more online material in the future. Wont read flow. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Check two-wire path and controller power. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site Awesome sps2868. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Is that true? Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Start station with MV from controller or remote. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. Make sure power is on to controller. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. 2 0 obj To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. also there In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z also there are 22 stations. 1:27:03 Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. Check flow sensor wiring. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. I will be in the office the rest of the week. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. also there are 22 stations. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? <> All rights reserved. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. So here's the recap guys: Success! <>>> The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. 1 0 obj Overflow messages. JavaScript is disabled. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. Sorry. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. Each modules electrical current is shown. nothing works. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. A condensed version might be possible in your area. Thanks to all for the kind words. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Check Power Supply Board status light. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Whats the next step? Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Decoder will not respond after firmware update. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! If successful, it will display the Dec I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. HunterTekGeek 1. WebHunter ACC Decoders. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to JavaScript is disabled. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. The decoder may be damaged. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> % To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current".

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