Both marked CAMILLUS over N.Y. but the one on the left the font is larger. When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. I would classify them as USAAF knives. SPRING HILL CUTLERY (eBay: bargainseller02). You have a very scarce Camillus MARK 1. 5665 J68: Unknown so far, unable to find the S card the Woolworths, S3388: When the Marines formed the ParaMarines they needed a brass pins holding stagged bone over black plastic liners. The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. Both had huge blood grooves, stacked leather handles, and several different guards and pommels. My goal is to provide helpful information about old pocket knives relating to their identification and history. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W OK, but I did not see any knife with this tang stamp before 1989. Also, there are periods between the U, S, & A. They usually possess a non-reflective finish to maintain camouflage and extremely grippy handles to help maintain control with hard and quick uses. Camillus started making the JPSKs in 1959. Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. May have belonged to my great grandfather's brother. This was one they wanted to make but never did. Camillus Factory still shot courtesy of Tom Williams showing We can go down the list for all the contractors. The FREE SHIPPING FOR . The company then had 20 employees. Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife andthe U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch Mark II., (Authors note: Camillus had developed the Mark II during World War II, and made more Mark IIs than anyone else, though the Marines stillcalled the Camillus-designed Mark II knife the Ka-Bar.). Free shipping on many items . This sample made 1939. The lower leg/quillon was marked on the front with a capital M in a circle over the number 4. The new design M3 weighed 9 ounces finished. The good news is that I found multiple ways to determine how old your Camillus knife is. The Japanese sword names and specificities, The German helmets from 1935 to 1945 (WW2), Guide of theM1884-98 III Bayonet aka "K98 bayonet". It was officially known as the G46. Did your Camillus knife go to the war? If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. Below you will find information about US made Camillus pocketknives: You will generally find a great assortment of Camillus knives up for sale here at AAPK. Featuring a 5-to-5.25-inch flat-ground blade, the Mark 1 utility knife was adopted by the Navy as a survival-type knife with sheath. this one, it should be a fantastic story to be uncovered one day. It is further described as "Used in all types of emergency kits." Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the Cold marking on the blade was abandoned because it was considered that it weakened the blade. Still others say the knife was designed for and used by U.S. special operatives during World War II. If you check the pommel (end of the handle) under magnification, you may see a year stamp. Sword Brand Stockman 78. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. The washers are delimited by the guard on one side and the pommel washer on the other. knife that was adopted. The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. The stacked leather handle had five grooves and was longer (4.7 inches) than the World War II version of the knife. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. and sold through the PX system as well. The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". Editors note: The following is by Richard D. White. Call (03) 4245 1141 This is the early AAC Its manufacture although ephemeral began in March 1943 to finish in July 1944. Marbles prototype: Super rare item. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Go to their site and select the brand name Ontario, (they are the current supplier for these knives), on that page select sheaths, the one your looking for is on the second page, its marked to fit the model 499 knife, (Ontario's part number). They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was The bit telltale difference is the sharpened false You might get lucky and pick the right thing, but you could just as well get scammed of your money. I also personally packed these knives up Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. larger pommel version we all know. In order to meet this need, the M1918 knife stock was distributed while waiting to design the ideal knife. Knife Collecting: The History of the Camillus M3, Ron Popeil, TV Knife Pitchman, Passes Away, Mastersmith Lin Rhea Honored As Arkansas Living Treasure, Walter Blackie Collins: Applying The Edge To BLADE Magazine, Best Tomahawks: Our Top Hawks For Backwoods To Battlefields (2023), American Knives: Legendary Designs From The Land Of The Free, Antique Switchblades: World War II And Beyond, Knifemaking 101 Read This Before You Make a Knife, 8 Things You May Not Know About Forged in Fire. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, The underline extends the full length of the letters in the word "CAMILLUS". St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 am, Post SEE PICS TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO CAMILLUS NY USA TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 42 LENGTH (CLOSED): 3 3/16 . 12" Fighter Tang stamped USN MK2/Camillus NY. One of the most commonly asked questions is "How much is my fighting knife worth?". This is a very nice used Camillus scout/utility knife sporting some fantastic Rogers Bone handles. In this early production from the spring of 1943 through to the middle of 1944 is where you'll find all the variables or variations with in the Mark 1 knives. Save my name and email to use for future comments. It's easy! Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. Camillus made the Mark 2 knife (model #5684) for the U.S. Marines and U.S. Navy during WWII. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, Bushman and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . It all ended for the original Camillus on February 2007. In fact, in the 30s Camillus had the reputation of being the highest quality maker of knives in the United States. The design was not adopted. In New York City. Your dad's pilots survival knife looks like it's in excellent condition. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. Its history did not stop there since it was distributed until stocks were exhausted. auction. This link will bring you to AAPK's Camillus specific image gallery. Free Shipping $99. Sweeping grind. Never used or Vintage Camillus U.S.A. The guard was a little wider than the one on the World War II knife. But I don't know if my pommel is screwed or welded. It was 12 inches long with a 7-inch blade. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). metal tip protectors. $65.00. Variations included different spacer colors, marks/stamps, pommel thicknesses and materials, piening vs. welding of the pommels, blue vs. polished blades, and smooth vs. grooved handles. We can also see models with a brown plastic washer on the guard and a black plastic washer on the pommel. Camillus started the production of 1219C2 Combat Knife, what became known as the USN Mark 2 Utility . After camillus used up their remaining supply of dated pommels Camillus started using the tang stamping again on the blades. This was where he first got a taste for cutlery, which would later shape the man he became and the company he launched. On the blade and guard -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex : PAL USM3. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. This is a "Standard Scout" made by Camillus. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. M8 (1st Model): Made of fiber, metal and spun cotton canvas. This is the factory reference Both have leather grips. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). selected. Hello everyone it has been a while since I've been here. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. Production date date 3/25/1943. Your email address will not be published. I'll leave it at this, there is some conjecture out there on what these knives might or might not be. Some extremely valid points! I have seen them mostly associated with the Air Force. where possible. Era" knife. Pal (Pal Blade & Tool co.) --> 121,231 pieces, According to Frank Trzaska, a military knife historian, the decision to design the M3 rather than continuing to produce the Mark 2 was based on a U.S. steel shortage. The knives will be sold as a group only. 1937. You are using an out of date browser. View on eBay. contracts. There won't be any pommel markings on this one. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:03 am, Post This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1960 to the late 1970s. On the blade -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex : PAL USM3, 3rd Type marking (1944) : The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. So far I have not found the S card for This lightly used scout/utility knife has some beautiful rich blonde Rogers Bone handles. Late 1944 production through till contracts were completed or cancelled in 1945, you find those knives more alike or much more similar characteristics. But there are clever reproductions that can fool you into thinking its the real thing. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real Note the non-italic font & the length of line between "CAMILLUS" & "NEW YORK". Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. Many times the guards and pommels were mixed and matched. Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. Hand marked on the Later in the war the U.S.S. Okay, maybe not fakes. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 The spear blade has an etch that says "Sta-Sharp" over "Chrome Plated". is the only one that survived the Marines. Stagged Rosewood, CR guard Sword Brand Folding Hunter 26. The company was founded by Charles Sherwood in 1876 and became a good candidate for buying when the Dingley Tariff Act, which greatly raised the import duty on knives, was enacted in 1897. edge. quick. Descriptions point out clearly defined points that should be noted. It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. The handle was stacked leather, generally grooved. The company quit referencing the date after 1915, but started back up in its later days preceding bankruptcy. silver. Survivalists, Hunters, Military and more. BLADE is doing its part by taking a look back at the knives that accompanied those in uniform during World War II. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. Saturday, May 19, 2018, is Armed Forces Day. The WW II era knife has a long sweeping false edge while the current $39.00. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, Re: Please help identify year of Camillus military knife, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ val-knife/. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 am, Post business. A similar issue occurs when dating the Kinfolks knife, but the chances of that error are slim. I viewed the ransacked show room It has a couple of chips out of the bone on the pile side and the tip is broken off the caplifter. The re-launch occurred in 2009 with an introduction of a line of tactical knives imported from oversees. This exact knife is pictured on page 103 of Mike Silvey's WWII Book.. . When the USA entered the war in 1941, the combatants quickly felt the need to have a combat knife at their disposal. Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. If you collect USM3 fighting knife, have a look at our knife selection, you will find several authentic USM3 available. This marking is post 1990 and is the current marking, it Blades show only light use and the main spear blade is full. Skip, I'm not sure that we can or can not label either of those knives as genuine Mark 1's. It's an anomaly knife. Mikedon thanks for posting the pictures. Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. $149.99. Imperial (Imperial Knife co.) --> 854 015 pieces, by Wayne Goddard This happens in so many cases, utilizing the already fabricated material until exhausted then make the change. In the 1980s, the U.S. Armed Forces discussed improving the M3. I assume my knife has the 6in blade though it measures 5 3/4. Get the best deals on Camillus Us Knife In Original Vietnam War Edged Weapons when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Then in issue to troops, the M3 having been first produced and issued in 1943. factory or used by them. With decades of experience under his belt, Adolph spearheaded the growth and expansion of the Camillus knife company into what we know it as today. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. Milsco (Milwaukee Saddlery) at 140,494 copies, L&C (Lyon & Coulson) at 40,000 copies, Sbl co (Service Boots & Leggins) at 35,200 copies, Barwood (L.J. U.S. M8 A1 + Manufacturer's Name. I will do my best to provide opportunities for . VINTAGE US MILITARY CAMILLUS KNIFE EX. SKIP. This is a nice lightly used High Carbon Steel scout/utility knife. pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. Robeson (Robeson Cutlery co.) --> 36 575 pieces, You have entered an incorrect email address! 76, #4). These fakes are even made with materials that age fast, tricking you into thinking that the knife has indeed seen a lot of years. Most examples of even the 1-1967 marked knives are made with a sterile blade. This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. In any case, for these 5 types of markings, the pommel plate (end cap/butt cap/pommel) must be struck with the flaming bomb (flaming bomb / ordnance bomb), the symbol of the Ordnance corp. Made of leather reinforced with metal parts (plates + clips). The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. They all now have similar appearances, a conformity if you will. This camp knife has "High Carbon Steel" on the tang stamp. $9.95. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. This link will bring you to AAPK's Camillus Collector specific discussion forum. Required fields are marked *. I have never seen that variation. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, "Bushman" and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:33 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. I have not Many were marked for year of manufacture on the pommel nut, but some were not. You will find pictures, dates of use, & short descriptions of most. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife and the U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch . 43 knives in total, all from the showroom. head pommel. Cold Steel Kobun Tactical Knife Olive Drab Handle. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. Guards were double steel, the very rare brass or plastic like the pommels. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. As with any military knife, be careful not to fall victim to the opinions of so-called experts, especially when they attribute particular knives to units like the Devils Brigade, Commandos, OSS, Underwater Demolition Team, etc. Well Camillus didn't start making these knives with this marking until 1974 so Vintage Camillus U.S.A. American Wildlife Series Charging Bear Lockback knife 10D. 11 "AMERICAM WILDLIFE" WOLF HOWLING OVER MOON JIGGED DELRIN USED LOCKBACK POCKET KNIFE, Queen 1993 Winterbottom Bone English Jack, Camillus 3-Line Sawcut Bone Barlow (51 pattern), VINTAGE CAMILLUS POWR KRAFT USA 4 BLADE STOCKMAN FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD. During World War I, the manufacturer cranked out over 470,000 knives for the U.S., British, Canadian and Dutch governments. A nice little Camillus Bird & Trout knife.Pattern #1006.Blade 3 3/4" and 7 1/4" overall.Blade has a good amount of scratches on both sides.Leather washer handle with brass and black fiber. Boker (H. Boker & co.) --> 31,300 pieces, FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. The large guard is nickel If a soldier depends on a knife, then citizens also depend on that knife. Below you will find examples & a bit of information about some of the more notable stamps used by Camillus to mark its knives. survival kit knife with straight line marking. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. Saunders knives; and a few more knives under contract. piece, they were never made in WW II. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. Pilot Survival Knife MIL-K-8662(AER). On the blade -> Manufacturer's name + Type + Year of manufacture ex: PAL USM3 1943, 2nd Type marking (End of 1943) : S-4007 hand marked on the blade, Guardless and serrated The Mark 2 sheath began to enter service in early 1944 and the marking changed to the guard prior to 1945, so the only time they could have been issued together was 1944. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). The handles are engraved with information and images of Kar Products and are chip and crack free. Both have black plastic pommel. Like every other knife Ive dated, the Camillus knives are challenging in their way. This is a Camillus made Western Brand Texas Ranger Commemorative stockman. Case (W.R. Case & sounds) --> 300,465 pieces, Tom said that the Government contract was cancelled in 1984. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor 1200 dozen made in I actually have 2-3 more, but that one I'm particularly partial to. knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. flat sided pommel to be used for hammering prior to the adoption of the hex if it was in Vietnam it must have been with some other folks not the US The contracts were 1942, & 1943. has the Mark 2 pommel not the M3 version. The M3 was designed to meet a shortage of combat knives, especially in early 1942. | Privacy. Both came with flat steel, aluminum or mottled-brown-plastic pommels. Knife Depot Australia is a retailer of knives, tools, knife maintenance and knife accessories based in Australia. rivets. $57.99. Most folks don't know A blade left over from the 1966 production was used to make that 1-1967 5733 knife. There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. This is an early Marbles design with a At the end of the war, the decision to ramp up capacity paid off as Camillus could now make its knives and still churn others out under contract. Some of these washers have a smaller diameter in order to form grooves to facilitate gripping. NICE . Multiple detailed photos of a specific sample are provided. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line straight stamp. We made no attempt to do any cleaning in case the knife is old. Camillus Sizzle Folding Knife. We carry a variety of well-known brands such as Spyderco, Benchmade, Buck, Gerber, WE . The 4th is actually the result of the assembly of blades of the 2nd type and guards of the 3rd type. It was held in place with a steel washer pinned to the tang. M8 (2nd Model): Same as 1st Model but with the addition of a hook to attach the sheath to the M1936 belt. Like most every enduring knife manufacturer, Camillus used several different tang stamps to mark its knives. Camillus Jolt Folding Knife. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. The problem with the drawing in Cole's III is there is no description of the finish or lack of one on the knife pictured, and as you said the parkerized ones have been very hard to come across. Note the scabbards with and without sheet metal tip protectors. Bone stag and CR guard made in Some military knivesnot just the 225Qwere stamped very lightly, while others were deeply stamped. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). Do you think your Camillus is older than your friends, but neither is sure? inch Mark 2 with a M3 pommel. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). Dustin- Great information! Note the non-italic font & the length of line . Utica (Utica Cutlery co.) --> 655,230 pieces. that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. forces were gone by 1973. Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. I read they started dating these in the late 60s. Any Our selections of interesting militaria auctions are viewed by thousands of collectors from around the world each month. ). Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. Examples are plentiful and often were photographed hanging from the belts of soldiers who fought in the South Pacific Islands. VINTAGE WW2 MILITARY CAMILLUS TL-29 LINEMANS KNIFE USA 1930-40. joined the originals, now we have all that were present at the time of the These had 6 inch blades and screwed-on pommels. Another Camillus Manufactures a Quality Hunting Knife, Folding Knife & Fixed Blade Knife with a Lifetime Warranty. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. We find some manufactures where the pommel is pinned with two through nails. SEE PICS Firstly, Adolf Kastor (Camillus, XLNT, Germania) just to name a few, oh and A.W. There are also extensive catalogs on the knife brand, making my work easier. Blade length is 5 3/4 , total length is about 10 3/8. Unbelievable piece. storage. knives under boxes and paperwork. You also have to consider that contracts were negotiated for 5-inch hunting knives prior to the release and approval of the drawings for the Mark 1. The blade markings are not specified on the Camillus drawing. This stamp has was used on Camillus knives for a very short time. and steel domed rivets but with a different grind from above. Important note : As the fiber sheaths are quite fragile (we see them quite often with the broken end), the M8 A1 was modified after the war. Vietnam War Era US Camillus Fighting Knife - . Synthetic Staglon have no cracks or chips. Blade finishes were blued and polished. These two knives are commonly identified as WW2 pilots knives. scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction Shows the Imperial bent guard with correct sheath as a Mark 1. Add to Cart. This is the factory reference knife that was adopted. Price $15,000.00, #5665 L66: This is the prototype for the WW II Army Air Military knife: These knives by Camillus are collectible especially if they were made for a historically significant branch of the Army or Navy. and took them with me when the auction was over. Jun 11, 2006. Presuming the knife and scabbard were issued together (and it is quite likely that they were), you can date this knife to 1944. Shop for Camillus Knives & Read Knife Reviews. CONDITION MUST LQQK. with steel domed rivets. http://usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_7.htm. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. Its a day to participate in exercises expressive of our recognition of the skill, gallantry, and uncompromising devotion to duty characteristic of the Armed Forces in the carrying out of their missions,as President Harry Truman put it in 1950. These stamps are invaluable to collectors in determining information about the company's tools including but not limited to their age. room when the company was auctioned off. repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. No damage or repairs. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. Camillus started making the JPSKs in 1959. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: The tang stamps are all over the place; There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; The font is a bit off; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife) Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. This is one of those Official Boy Scouts of America knives that you just don't happen upon every day. These sheaths are in a very different style from the originals and always set off an alarm when looking for an original knife. One of the things the U.S. Armed Forces learned in Vietnam was the importance of guarding against mold and insectsleather handles had deteriorated quickly in the jungle. It arrived in 1943 as the 'US M3 Trench Knife'.

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