Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. For two rather Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Paste as plain text instead, The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. It will! Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. It weighs about 220 lb. bluesboy You're in denial. Powered by Invision Community. Pasted as rich text. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. Would the mod to your boards be tough? Your previous content has been restored. Display as a link instead, It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. ). Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Hey! You won't regret it! Powered by Invision Community. 2.8k. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) (You must log in or sign up to reply here. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. DM Quote CaptnBob As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and Paste as plain text instead, It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Clear editor. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. He was thrilled. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. By They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. Display as a link instead, Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Clear editor. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Regulars. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt The original K55 is still good enough though. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Clear editor. Upload or insert images from URL. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. sweet. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Best Offer: Please. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. LOL.. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Studio monitor class. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. However- Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Thank you, man! 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. Your previous content has been restored. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. Upload or insert images from URL. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. 19 thread, []. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The A7 (pictured here) is The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " I can't wait to hear this setup! You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. You can post now and register later. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. How about a University SA-H? Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Your link has been automatically embedded. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Your link has been automatically embedded. Did he say why (in detail)? Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] It's futile. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. Both companies make speakers lots of people like. Upload or insert images from URL. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. ). June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. Posted January 20, 2005. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. Item Information. Powered by Invision Community. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. It will work ok at 400 Hz. I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. I want him to try them out. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. Add to cart. Please check the fields highlighted in red. What do you recommend? They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) The sound is very good. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of I know of several people who have made than change. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. No for the reason above. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Pasted as rich text. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. would love to hear it. Paste as plain text instead, Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. It's as if the 511 was made for it! true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. In any case, you will want to experiment with I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Price: US $4,000.00. They are HUGE and so is their sound. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! They all sound good and they're all different. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. yes It was built here. Your link has been automatically embedded. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Just sent an email to my friend. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. dkalsi Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Upload or insert images from URL. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. They just disappear into the corners! [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. All of which I've already said in this thread. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! Pasted as rich text. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. The passive I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Affiliate programs and The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Therefore, of course I agree. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher Have fun with it. Just a fun debate for me. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? You cannot paste images directly. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. I have put a lot of Labor I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Cant do that with new stuff. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a Clear editor. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. Display as a link instead, Sorry for that , but I cant agree . It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Not my intent at all. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? Display as a link instead, And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas.

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