You know, she`s probably a nice looking girl. Inside Bay Area. What happened? Jessi was furious. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The other says he`s a handsome young Marine. We are taking your calls. Then the Tom and Tommy you knew will no longer exist." He is moving to West Virginia to be with the love of his life.. You shouldn`t be able to do and manipulate what she did to the level that she took, and then walk away and say that was interesting. Last Name "Shieler" San Ramon, CA. Emotionally, I was immature. His father is with us live tonight -- lost his life, multiple gunshot wounds to the face, the jaw, point-blank range, over a girl neither had ever met. The point-blank shooting of a 22-year-old young man. GRACE: She sent her daughter- Kirby, before you`re polluted by Peter Odom on this one, let me just try to reason with you. 'He was my height, six-feet tall, had bright red hair,' said Montgomery to ABC News. That is actually Montgomery many, many years ago. Failed to delete flower. Same thing with the woman in West Virginia. Photos larger than 8Mb will be reduced. I don`t care what you meant to do. Your report may include the following information: Your Report comes with access to People Search tools to look up contact and background information for all owners. All Rights Reserved. The names of Jessi and Mary Shieler were changed to Katie (played by Ashley Hinshaw) and Beth (played by Molly Hagan) Brooks, respectively. He`s not 18, and she`s not either. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The affair abruptly ends in a hail of gunfire. What is Mary Shieler's from Oak Hill, West Virginia famous for? (CROSSTALK) GRACE: Peter. GRACE: All right. Disclaimer: PeekYou is not a consumer reporting agency per the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Mary Yvonne Shieler passed away on 27 Jun 2016 in Cuyahoga Falls, Summit County, Ohio, United States of America. Your email address will not be published. "It was stupid. Tallhotblond received Cindys message and was devastated. "The man in the center is Tom, my husband since 1989. To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. SCHROEDER: Well, she`s never -- to this day, she hasn`t apologized to her daughter, she hasn`t apologized to the Barretts. You are nearing the transfer limit for memorials managed by Find a Grave. We have set your language to UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) I was older. "He was being accepted for being 47, and he still had this hot young girl who wanted him.". UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What would you do?" (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Good evening. You have chosen this person to be their own family member. To explore more of Mary Shieler's online presence, click here. Jessi no longer speaks to her mother. If you have an HBO subscription, you can watch the documentary on HBO Max, the streaming service of HBO. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just to reiterate what the specialist just said -- I saw the documentary and Courtney Cox`s (ph) movie. He`s a 46-year-old balding Sunday school teacher, father of two. Montgomery says nothing sexual happened between them after Talhotblond found out how old he was, but their IMs tell a different story: But it didn't last. Whatever. Doctors are prescribing stimulants alongside anti-depressants to counter sluggishness, research shows, Golf star Patrick Reed's $450,000 Porsche is spotted smashed up on a salvage website with just 360 miles on the clock, Awkward moment The View co-hosts display giant naked picture of actor Josh Brolin while talking to his legendary actor father James on the show, Flaunting it! 04/03/1947 - 06/27/2016 . This just goes to show that the imagination is much more powerful than reality. Thomass wife sent Jessi a picture of her family revealing his real age to his teen love interest. It`s Barbara Schroeder. She fed him photos from 'her' high school basketball team, softball team, graduation and prom as their relationship continued for months. Intrigued by the flirtatious nature of the messages and the beautiful profile pic the girl called 'Jessi' had, Montgomery decided to use the anonymity of the Internet and message her back pretending to be 18 too. Year should not be greater than current year. . Revealed: Victim of Canadian porn star cannibal is Chinese New Jersey woman stunned to discover homeless victim of 'I'm going to be late. That`s when I told her, I`m playing on my dad`s name. No. Found more than one record for entered Email, You need to confirm this account before you can sign in. OK. What actually happened? We went camping for the weekend and came home Sunday morning, and realized when we walked through the door something was wrong because Brian had not been home to feed the cats. Close this window, and upload the photo(s) again. Refine Your Search Results All Filters Mary Elizabeth Shieler, 70 Resides in Mountain Home, ID Lived In Oldtown ID, Hayden ID, Newport WA, Valley Springs CA Related To Rodney Shieler, Steven Shieler, Desiree Shieler, Brad Shieler You will what on Saturday?" CASAREZ: That`s the way I understand the facts, yes. SCHROEDER: Yes. SCHROEDER: Well, I mean, bottom line, the guy who pulled the trigger is Thomas Montgomery. But the IMs that came from Talhotblond showed her to be torn --- mad one instant, desperate to return to a love with a man who she knew didn't exist teasing him. Certainly, she has some kind of fantasy life. We encourage you to research and examine these records to determine their accuracy. And she knew that she was playing with fire. Talhotblond is a 2009 documentary directed by Barbara Schroeder. She keeps luring him back in. ", Instant messages recovered from his computer show that the online relationship began to consume Montgomery. Are you adding a grave photo that will fulfill this request? Despite embarrassing him publicly, she would still sometimes private message him and continue flirting. She told her mother who contacted Talhotblond. Freaks! I`m Nancy Grace. GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, Kirby Clements, Peter Odom, defense attorney joining us out of Atlanta. That`s inexcusable. By all accounts, Mary Shieler was a perfect mother, who loved and spoiled her teenage daughter Jessi. jay fischer gould. Perhaps in some poetic justice, Marys husband divorced her, and her beloved daughter moved away and cut ties, as she attended college. He is 46 years old. The comments below have not been moderated. On his part, Montgomery had created an alter-ego of himself as younger and stronger. Mary Shieler's address is ***** Main St E, Oak Hill, WV. SCHROEDER: Well, in talking -- we actually talked with Mary Shieler after all this happened, and I asked her, you know, how -- what were you thinking, and he was her justification for lying online. Daniel, I`m just sick hearing these facts. Described by neighbours as a good man who worked for his daughters' swim team board, Montgomery's life slowly started to become fixated around his conversations online with 'Jessi.'. He told "20/20" that this relationship "became more real to me than real life.". Search unlimited reports including arrest records, driving records, online photos What will you find? In return, Jessi wanted to see what he looked like too; so he sent her his photo from Marine boot camp. CUYAHOGA FALLS, OHIO - Mary Yvonne Shieler, 69, formerly of Fayetteville, WV went home to be with the Lord on Monday, June 27, 2016 in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. BARRETT: That piece of dirt belongs in prison. Prosecutors said their discovery of Montgomery's DNA on a peach pit found at the crime scene and a photo of Montgomery family's gun cabinet -- which showed the type of old military rifle that police believe was used to shoot Barrett -- were key to their case against Montgomery. She knew that she PETER ODOM: She had to know it. However, they quickly discovered that although Jessi was a real person residing in Oak Hill, WV, she had no clue about the communications. Mary B Shieler, Ronceverte, WV (24970) - Spokeo Mary B Shieler, Age 61 aka Mary B Dailey, Mary D Shieler Current Address: MAMI Brier Hill Ln, Ronceverte, WV Past Addresses: Oak Hill WV, Oak Hill WV +4 more Phone Number: (304) 661- ZXAH +4 phones Email Address: m YVRR @hotmail.com +2 emails UNLOCK PROFILE Phone & Email (8) All Addresses (7) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I wish I had a perfect life like you and Brian do." This relationship is not possible based on lifespan dates. TALHOTBLONDBIG50: I know. Jessi had no knowledge of her mother's cyber-life. Police quickly learned of the Internet love triangle from co-workers. SCHROEDER: Yes, that`s where Thomas Montgomery started playing his game. John, so you`ve got a 46-year-old man, a 45-year- old woman. What -- how did he strike you? How had she been so candid and trusting with a man who wasnt who he claimed to be? I mean, that is just sick behavior, not illegal, though. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. The woman that he thought he was going after was a woman, an 18-year-old woman. Please be sure to check your spam/junk folder if you don't see it in your regular mail. The teen daughter doesn`t know anything about it. Mary had taken revealing photos of her daughter and used them to fuel a fantasy life online. The email does not appear to be a valid email address. based on information from your browser. Over the following year, they talked about love and even marriage while engaging in digital sex. He figured it wouldnt hurt if he told her he was also 18, buff, and helping the country as a soldier. This (EXPLETIVE DELETED) loser is leaving on Saturday. Brian Barrett was found dead in the parking lot where he worked, shot three times by a military rifle. Although everyone knew her as the perfect mother, who gave everything she could to her beautiful teenage daughter (whose name was actually Jessi), behind the scenes her life was far less healthy. Searching for mary shieler. The woman behind the whole thing. This database contains family trees submitted to Ancestry by users who have indicated that their tree can only be viewed by Ancestry members to whom they have granted permission to see their tree.These trees can change over time as users edit, remove, or otherwise modify the data in their trees. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mary Neal (154492995)? GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army 1st Lieutenant Jared Southworth, 26, Oakland, Illinois, killed, Afghanistan. She was actually a 45-year-old part-time secretary with a teen daughter. They certainly had never slept with her. Refine Your Search Results All Filters 2 Mary B Shieler, 61 Resides in Ronceverte, WV Lived In Oak Hill WV, San Diego CA, Lewisburg WV A West Virginia senior in high school, a softball player, calls herself Tallhotblond on line, takes to the Internet to strike up a romance in a teen chat room with Marinesniper, a handsome 18-year-old set to deploy to Iraq. Here`s the man you`ve really been corresponding with for several years. CUYAHOGA FALLS, OHIO - Mary Yvonne Shieler, 69, formerly of Fayetteville, WV went home to be with the Lord on Monday, June 27, 2016 in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I didn`t." We respect your privacy. You were the adult here. Mary Shieler West Virginia Oak Hill Mary Shieler in Oak Hill, WV Mary Shieler may also have lived outside of Oak Hill, such as Canvas, Lewisburg and 2 other cities in West Virginia. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why Saturday?" UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The vengeful girl turns to one of his much younger co-workers on line. Have you been talking to someone online who claims to be working on an oil rig? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "What you two talked about." MARINESNIPER1000: You could have been honest with me, Jessi, instead of crying on Brian`s shoulder. Even after she found out Montgomery was lying to her and Montgomery was 47, she continued to play the game that she was this young, beautiful teenager. I had heard something about the Tallhotblond story before (is there a documentary or something?) Have you ever had an online romance? This database contains family trees submitted to Ancestry by users who have indicated that their tree can be viewed by all Ancestry subscribers. Montgomery was in a teen chat room and his profile reveals his real age. It`s your choice." After all, Thomas still thought she was someone her daughters age, which gave her con all the power! So that`s -- GRACE: OK. We collect and match historical records that Ancestry users have contributed to their family trees to create each persons profile. Once the report of the murder came in, police instantly zeroed in on Thomas Montgomery, as coworkers of the men worked knew about the online love triangle. Thanks for your help! (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What on earth are you doing on there? Before long the messaging became romantic, but it ultimately led to the unraveling of Montgomery's marriage, the death of a co-worker, his own eventual imprisonment and the shocking twist which haunts him to this day. On Sept. 15, 2006, as Barrett left work, three shots rang out. His son was murdered as a result of this Internet triangle, which in itself was a big hoax. For more information governing use of our site, please review our Terms of Service. However, when police arrived at her door they were presented with 45-year-old Mary Shieler. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Stare." A video summary of this weeks post can be found at. CLEMENTS: It should have been -- his emotional state was such that it wouldn`t be murder. Try again later. : Crazy Catfish Story, Thousands of Fake Facebook Profiles Were Created Using Military Man's Photos, Romance Scam: Millions of Dollars Made From Stolen Pictures of Tristan King. He was turned on by the same things adult videos sell as fantasy, a sexy 18-old ear girl who needs someone to show her the ropes sexually. Mary Shieler of Oak Hill, West Virginia, is a married mother of two. Search their Criminal Records, Contact Info, Photos and More 1) Mary Shieler's Phone & Current Address, Mary Shieler's Contact Info, Social Profiles & More, View Mary's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, mary****@gmail, View Mary's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, mary****@yahoo, View Mary's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, mary****@hotmail, View Mary's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, mary****@aol, View Mary's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, mary****@outlook. ", Montgomery said Jessi was horrified, and broke off the relationship immediately. He told Jessi that he was an 18 year old Marine that was awaiting deployment to Iraq. BARRETT: Oh, yes. Why are you saying that?" Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) GRACE: Welcome back. Chatroom flirtation leads to deadly relationship. Thomas went by the username MarineSniper. PHILLIPS: Absolutely, the thought -- freaks is the exact right word, Nancy. Little did he know that a hello from an attractive 18-year old would destroy his life, expose two catfish, and lead him to become a murderer all under the guise of love. Born on April 3, 1947 at Rt. All Rights Reserved. It ends in murder. SCHROEDER: When you`re in a game room like a pogo.com, and you`re talking to people, you can also pull to a little side table, and your little avatar can actually go to the side and you can have a private chat to talk one-on-one which is -- GRACE: You mean the fake people talk to other fake people? Story Suggestion; Mary Shieler talhotblond. That`s why they`re constantly online with each other. And that`s how it becomes this triangle. Please contact Find a Grave at [emailprotected] if you need help resetting your password. "I kept thinking, well, we're never going to meet. Nancy Jane Shieler Grunenberg, 82, formerly of Fayetteville and Oak Hill, WV, passed away Friday, December 11, 2020 in Ohio. This is where the story gets weird: If tallhotblond was not a beautiful 18-year old virgin, who was she? He`s busy with the murder charge. He is a balding 46-year-old Sunday school teacher, a married father of two. Tall Hot Blonde Talhotblond told Thomas Montgomery her name was Jessi, and said she was a softball-playing high school senior from West Virginia. "They almost made him out to be a pedophile.". GRACE: We are taking your calls. Search above to list available cemeteries. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: You`re seeing part of a "Lifetime" original movie called "Talhotblond" and they get that name, Talhotblond, from a moniker that a 45-year-old mother, part-time secretary picks to go online posing as that girl, her daughter. Please reset your password. She also used photographs of her daughter working as a lifeguard, so she could share bathing suit photos with Thomas and incite his lust. Peter Odom, what is a 46-year-old man doing trolling online for 18- year-old girls while his wife is upstairs asleep and his two daughters are asleep? Mary D Shieler is 58 years old. 0. What a crazy moment that was for him. Death 4 Jul 2011 (aged 87) . It can be changed, though, to allow for it in the future. JOHN LUCICH, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR, PRESIDENT, E FORENSICS: Well, unfortunately, depending upon what that person has done to that computer, it may or may not be retrievable. Despite her connection to the murder, Mary hadnt broken any laws and couldnt be arrested. The "New York Post" reported from the beginning that she took her camera and took pictures of her daughter in compromising positions when her daughter didn`t know that, even up her skirt and sent that via the Internet. Timothy E Shieler is in Mary family. He has hinted darkly of covert ops and dark deeds best unmentioned, but U.S. Marine records obtained by "20/20" show that although he qualified as a sharpshooter, he never trained as a sniper or saw action. And then she starts to aggressively pursue this young man. You know, I got a question. It`s actually almost laughable until that on-line teen love affair ends in murder. So the person that they were looking for wasn't Jessi. She had to go and physically get that underwear in order to send it away to somebody she thought was a Marine. Wanting to end the affair, Montgomery found he couldn't and described it as like a 'drug'. The entire time, it had been her. what happened to mary shieler. While we do pride ourselves on our thoroughness, the information available on our website or that we provide at times may not be 100% accurate, complete, or up to date, so do not use it as a substitute for your own due diligence, especially if you have concerns about a person's criminal history. DANIEL BARRETT, SON MURDERED IN INTERNET LOVE TRIANGLE: Yes, we have. SCHROEDER: Well, and to be perfectly accurate, I actually sent in one of my friends, a guy, because I knew that Thomas Montgomery had issues with women and he had trust issues with women and he liked to lie to women. It started innocently enough. GRACE: OK, question, Jean Casarez. Nancy Jane Shieler Grunenberg, 82, resident of Cuyahoga Falls and formerly of Fayetteville and Oak Hill, WV, passed away Friday, December 11, 2020 in Ohio. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "You might get the magic." What`s a private chat, Barbara Schroeder? Neither impersonating her daughter online nor stoking. It was Mary who had sent g-string panties she bought or stole from her daughters dirty laundry. Mary Shieler was born on 07/11/1961 and is 61 years old. She wants the sex. Mistress of FBI agent arrested for taking Russian money blasts his 'materialistic' WIFE for posting flashy photos in Palm Beach and dining at expensive NYC restaurants after husband walked free, Spain's former king Juan Carlos has a secret aristocrat DAUGHTER and 'took steps to ensure she did not unwittingly fall in love with his son', new book claims, Popping off! brookstone therapeutic percussion massager with lcd screen; do nigel and jennifer whalley still own albury park Receive a notification when services are updated. Hi, Sonya. Mary was also married, but after her confession to police, her husband divorced her. And you know what`s even scarier is the woman that was posing as the 18-year-old Tallhotblond -- you know, she is just as guilty of murder as the person who pulled the trigger. This site is provided as a service of SCI Shared Resources, LLC. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "That`s all?" He decided that he needed to get Brian out of the way. Why not, Eleanor? With over 1,900 locations, Dignity Memorial providers proudly serve over 375,000 families a year. GRACE: Explain your thinking on that. I wish I could be that 19-year-old Marine for you." And that`s what she does, too. ). "I couldn't just, just end it.". I call it malice murder. He is 46 years old. And on -- in this case, it`s like you think you`re selling cocaine, but you`re really selling a turnip, all right? They were a team, inseparable, getting nails done together and shopping for prom, and not just for one dress. She flirted online with Barrett, who called himself 'beefcake', on open forums for Montgomery to see. GRACE: There`s really no way to save him, but now still one part of this love triangle is left unattended. But when police arrived at her home, they were in for another surprise: A woman named Mary Shieler opened the door. Father Milton Snidow Shieler. Posted by 6 minutes ago. "He actually drove down to, I think North Carolina," said Case. And Mary Shieler, she has nothing. Vote. She poses as a teen on line, and on line seduces what she believes to be another teen, pictured here. "It was like a drug. And happy birthday to North Carolina friend, Vernie, cancer survivor, four children, seven grands, one great. Are you sure that you want to delete this flower? CLEMENTS: Well, we didn`t use the word "stuff." They`re out there -- GRACE: That doesn`t mean it`s right. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: That`s the lifetime original movie "Talhotblond." Please note that availability may vary depending on your country and region. Twitter. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What did you say to him?" I said, hey, Tall, how are you? What`s your question? GRACE: Not what I asked. When Thomas heard Brian gleefully telling their mutual coworkers that he was going to meet tallhotblond in person and pop her cherry, he was thrown into a blind rage. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "That is up to you, Jessi. That sounds like a crime to me. But Barbara, you interviewed the killer behind -- you interviewed him. Talhotblond told Brian, who went by Beefcake in the chatrooms of the game website Pogo.com, that her real name was Jessi. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Wish you were nude." You`re not going to forgive this one." Best Match Powered by Whitepages Premium Mary Beth Shieler Ronceverte, WV AGE 60s AGE 60s Mary Beth Shieler Ronceverte, WV Aliases Mary Beth Dailey Eventually, Barrett decided to visit 'Jessi' even though Shieler had warned him not to. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I panicked. Please enter your email and password to sign in. I got a question, maybe I`m just, you know, behind the times. GRACE: You know, I want to talk about the grown woman in this scenario. | If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. You are only allowed to leave one flower per day for any given memorial. Jessi's mother, Mary Shieler, answered the door. Or, that might have been Jessis first thought, if she was who she claimed to be, but Jessi wasnt the person who told Thomas she was, either. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. They should both stew in the same pot together, Peter Odom! She has spoken publicly about the deadly love triangle just once, to the BBC. Thomas began to think that she still liked him, the real him. It said she was 18, so I thought I`d talk to her. A collection of strange, but true, stories, September 15, 2006 near Buffalo, New York. GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest. She actually sent this guy her daughter`s underwear. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What would you do?" UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was confused, and I didn`t know which way to go. or don't show this againI am good at figuring things out. Only much later did it emerge that she was really a middle-aged woman named Mary Shieler. Timothy E Shieler is in Mary family. Mary has also lived in Rainelle, WV. Although police tried, they could not find any way to charge Mary with a crime. You`re going to blow a gasket, Jean Casarez. So -- SCHROEDER: Incredible excuse. Oops, some error occurred while uploading your photo(s). I`ve got to go to Brian`s father, Daniel Barrett. And, you know, imagine that moment when you`re handed a photo of the girl that you just killed a man over. GRACE: Well, you`re accurate about that. Sorry! Don`t take Tommy!" GRACE: And the reality is neither of these men had ever met her. When the police apprehended Montgomery for the murder of Barrett they built up a strong case against him having found his DNA at the crime scene and a family photo which showed the gun used to shoot the 22-year-old. CLEMENTS: When we were prosecutors in Fulton County, Nancy, we had often cases where, you know, somebody got killed because someone else started. To add a flower, click the Leave a Flower button. They professed their love for one another, Jessi sent risqu pictures of herself and Thomas even asked Jessi to marry him. SCHROEDER: Huge -- it`s a huge Web site for gamers and it`s a, you know, fun -- GRACE: Gamers. Mary Shieler. Once you find the obituary you are looking for, you can get important information about upcoming services, share a favorite photo or memory, and send flowers or gifts to the family. I`m agreeing with the prosecutors here. When the dust settled, it was discovered that Brian had been the only person in this love triangle that had been telling the truth and it cost him his life. And it's, it's kind of frightening.". Both of them are parents. The conversations between Talhotblond and MarineSniper got hot and heavy. Address:SocialCatfish, LLC39252 Winchester Rd. Horrified, 'Jessi' sent Montgomery a text message ending the affair. Marinesniper became consumed with jealousy -- and he wasn't about to take it lying down. Failed to delete memorial. Mary Shieler didn't come away unscathed. Use Escape keyboard button or the Close button to close the carousel. By all accounts, Mary Shieler was a perfect mother, one who loved and spoiled her breathtakingly beautiful teenage daughter Jessi. Just 22 years old. SocialCatfish.com does not make any representation or warranty about the character or the integrity of the person, business, or entity about which you inquire, or the information available through our website or that you receive from us or any or our representatives. PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I can`t believe you`re even asking that question. She says, look, I want you to pretend to be Tommy again, and had she stopped playing her game at any point in time, Brian Barrett would still be alive today. . Kimberly R Shieler, Denise N Shielerhaski, Steven Bradley Shieler, Rodney Laurence Shieler and Desiree Nadine Shieler are some of Mary relatives. Thomas was really a 46 year old married father of two who had, in fact, been a Marine, but was never a sniper. : When love and affection Goes to Far, Oil Rig Scams: Don't Fall for This Type of Romance Scam, POF Search: 5 Ways to Perform a POF Name Search. Select boxes below to reduce the number of results. Why would anyone lie and trick an 18-year-old girl, such as herself? They wanted to have fun. I mean, my wife and I were sick and literally I think almost throwing up in the beginning when we found out about it.

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