I won't accept something just because someone says it. But again, nobody saw him. I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. This is from the Twilight Zone! Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Undoubtedly, he would have run into Peter Folger in those years as American corporations and the US government were intertwined throughout that era. 3) The intersection of military intelligence, Hollywood and the mob runs directly into the Linkletter family, who were involved in a myriad of legitimate and no so much legit businesses. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. 2. LOL. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? He was a close friend of Sharon and Jay, and thus the presence of the other hippies at the front door would not have aroused suspicion. CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. Good to see you!! katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? Sorry but I just dont believe he was in that house before Winifred and the cops got there, it would have been front page news at the time, and if you're saying Whitson knew the murders were taking place and did nothing to stop them then he'd have been suspect #1, Couple more things after reading your post, why of all people would Whitson call Hatami about the murders first? @TY > No offence, but you just come across as someone with an ability to write in capital letters and spout opinions that reveal nothing more than an anti~Bugliosi bias but no actual substance to back up whatever your opinions may be. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). Not now, however. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. Yeah, look I can see Whitson as a very bit player in the whole saga but as some Matt Damon Bourne Supremacy operative, not while the grass is green and the sky is blue. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. He gave him a piano. A:Right, there was ro reporterThe most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. I do not believe we will ever know the truth. According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. TJ ? I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. Read up on their history. According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. You weren't in the Family. Correction of typo:[He said] it was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969O'Neill's article can be found on the internet, or you can read about Moorehouse in O'Neill's book on pages 116-119. Regardless, most of the info on my friend's father matches the info on Whitson. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! It's a strange coincidence. He mentioned him once. If I had, they probably would have run to a lot more posts than the many that certain of the threads did ! He didn't "bring" Hatami. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00. Now, we have 2 men claiming to be the driver of the white sports car on the night of the LaBianca killings and a virtual "after hours" Cielo party involving Robert Linkletter, Charlie, the mystery partner and Reeve Whitson.Blimey !In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. William Alexander " Rip " Robertson Jr. (August 3, 1920 - December 1, 1970) [1] was a Central Intelligence Agency Case Officer in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. But not on substance.because as far as I can see, there hasn't been any.I will say this; I have no idea if you met Charles Manson in January of 1969 on some construction site. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. I came to your office,Q And you were there with a man named Reeves Witson?A:Yes.Q:He is a friend of yours?A:Yes.Q:And I had a conversation with you about this man who walked up in front of the Tate residence?A:Yes, you did.Q:Did I show you some photographs?A:Yes.This is the second time:RONALD HUGHES:Were you called in by Mr. Bugliosi? 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. Ha! The FBI files tell a clear . Melcher told me he had no memory of it. Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." That = A BUM! The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. Let's try Whit Reevson. Sheilah nodded. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? . I don't care for twitter interaction. Ill bet Sanders is correct. So that got my train of thought going and I looked into it. [He said] to was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969, for one simple reason: he gone to prison then. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. Really? He was very helpful with the police investigation and with District Attorney Bugliosi. Thank you, Bunkhouse. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. CAROL!!! McGann was nearly certain that Whitson was in the CIA, and found him "very credible. Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Got a link? 2) in the early 1960s, Reeve Whitson was a Business Manager for a publishing /photography company in Paris that gave him a proper cover for his intelligence operations in Europe . Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. Regarding Whitson's interest in sportscars, author Tom O'Neill wrote in his book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties: Others seperately said Whitson was CIA. Retweets. Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. It should have been MPK 308. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? The purpose behind the plot was to incite terror among white people and put the blame on black radicals. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. When I learn of Bittaker's death 'I am going to party like it's 1999." "I agree. A search of newspapers.com shows that he grew up in Kendallville, Indiana, got married to Mary Worch of Santa Monica on Jan. 7, 1952, and that his father worked in the circus. And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 14483, 14508, 14542, 14554There's nothing connected with him on page 22239 ~ that's Squeaky's testimony. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. I've got several comments to make but right now I'm dealing with some personal crap. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. He was a very dark player. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. Mon Durphy said"Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF"Where did she say that? He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami's testimony by threatening him with deportation. This is a bit off topic. That is assuming I outlive him. In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! left. Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. My book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, covers a lot of ground, police and prosecutor corruption, secret and mostly illegal government counterintelligence operations against American citizens (like the CIA's MKUltra and CHAOS, and the FBI's COINTELPRO), and, yes, the Manson Family murders of 1969. . How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. Grim said: But it's not true. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. grimtravellerThis is a bit off topic. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.The interesting thing about the Hearst times in "HS" is that both in terms of the police report and the court testimony, what is given in the book is inaccurate but not exactly uncheckable and not of earth shattering proportions. A:Yes, I dictated a conversation and under the disclosure order I gave you a copy of my conversation with HatamiQ:I am taliking about when you were vis-a-visA:No, there was no one else there, just Reeves Witson, myself and Mr. Hatami, no other reporter thereQ:Like the court reporter here? I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. I've used it myself. A police report said that Bobby and Harvey were hippies, users of drugs, and car thieves. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. In my research into a close friend's father (Elwood "Red" Franklin Williams) that was active in the Laurel Canyon activities back then, I found much of Red's info matched the info on Whitson. That guy was a nut-job! Folger was a former intelligence officer during WWII and maintained those contacts long after the war. You should have a read of it if you haven't already, with particular attention given to the testimiony of Terry Melcher and Dean Mooorehouse.That Moorehouse had been to Cielo while Melcher lived there in the summer of '68 is no secret. I am also considered an information hoarder. One of the girls actually tried his door knob. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very well.Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. He might have been seated between Jay & Sharon at dinner, being BFF's with them and all.But then, he was Gone With the Wind.Sorry guys, I'm having a hard time believing that someone with super powers like this mysterious guy was so very close to Sharon & Jay, yet did nothing to prevent their murders. I actually have been checking in most days since May. He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. Ill bet Sanders is correct. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. It was the nation's top-secret film studio that produced more films (moon landing backup films) in one year than all the film studios in the L.A. area combined. Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? The CIA are not nice guys. Can't shake old ways, he used to say" comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment CowOwn Additional comment actions A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. That just sounds funny. That doesn't make any sense. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. Convicted, yeah, I can see that. So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. Well (1) the flag was there and (2) I don't know why that's a point of conjecture and (3) I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. Bugliosi wrote that it was after Melcher moved out, meaning in January 1969.I found Moorehouse in the phone book and gave him a call. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. That's not in any doubt. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. And this has been going on since the start of 2017. Is Moorehouse still alive? ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. There is a lot more here that doesn't add up. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. Also Mon I think Whitson might be the truest character in O'Neill's book, but I think people are going to throw the baby out with the water on this one. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. If he worked for Bugliosi I don't remember his name being mentioned in his book, unless it was just a sentence and I've forgotten it.BTW, Hatami took many pics of Sharon at Cielo Drive. This will always be among the alternatives greatest weakness ~ plus the sheer number allied with the non existence of hard corroborative evidence. Sadie ? You got me Grim that is why I worded it the way I did, I don't remember were I saw it. Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 144483, 14508, 14542, 14554. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. He was a marginally employed and only marginally sane police groupie. California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. If LE and the CIA were so powerful, why didn't they just pin it on the innocent ? Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Did he mention Tex ? I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. I thought you surpassed yourself in bringing in such an authority as Quincy Jones to tell us all how Sharon's Dad led the investigators to Charles Manson.but Neil Cummings ! The last is the clincher. And life just gets more better and more clearer! That guy was a waste of humanity!!! "Sorry Starviego, this all sounds like nonsense to me. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. This comment has been removed by the author. And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}.

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